Our Baptism … Take two

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The rest of the story.

One of my fellow bloggers and new found friend, Meredith, asked; “Please tell me the rest of your story, where you were baptised.” I could respond by saying; “Stay tuned, I’ll get to that eventually.” But I said that already to another fellow blogger Inspiring Max who said that she’ll be interested in hearing about it (my story) and laughing with me.
I don’t want to be seen as someone who is fobbing people off so I will answer the question regarding baptism next and I promise to tell later why God hath made me to laugh.

Click here if you haven’t read the first part of our baptism story.

The bible is the authority on things religious.

Our planned baptism was for me one of the most significant events in my life. To be baptised was more momentous to me than it had been to get married or give birth; precious and special as these occasions were. The events surrounding our planned baptism left us bewildered and in turmoil. At the time we did not understand what was going on at all and felt confused and rejected and abandoned. These emotions were quickly followed by clarity and elation as soon as we understood that the church is not God. Nor does the church always represent God.

I am convinced that the majority of religious leaders mean well but I also know that the bible is the Word of God and therefore, as far as I’m concerned, the bible is the authority on things religious and not the church nor their leaders.

Church doctrine and politics

What my daughters and I had gotten caught up in is just your regular church doctrine and politics. There were issues playing in the background of which we were completely unaware at the time. For instance we discovered later why we had to ‘sign up’ with the church and agree to abide by their doctrine in order to be baptised. Most churches expect their members to contribute ten percent of their income to the church and we would no longer have been in charge ourselves as to where to make our donations. In hindsight this could have been a smart move because in those days I was going into debt at a rate of around ten grand a year. Had I partnered with the church, they could have carried some of this. That’s meant to be a joke btw to lighten this tale up a little.

As an aside .. feed the hungry

As an aside, our favourite charity provides food for one hundred hungry kids for only six bucks. We don’t think it gets any better than that. 100% of donated funds is utilised to take care of hungry people. If the only thing any of us would do is feed one hundred hungry kids each week at less than a dollar per day, I wonder if that could prevent children all over the world dying from hunger?

Back to church doctrine.

Back to church doctrine. The other thing, which we did not realise at the time either is that there are quite significant disagreements between churches for instance with regards to keeping the Sabbath or not keeping the Sabbath, baptizing adults or not baptizing adults and so on and so forth.

It is my understanding from reading the bible that in Jesus’ day all followers kept the Sabbath and all people joining themselves to the LORD were baptised. Jesus himself kept the Sabbath and was baptised.

All my daughters and I wanted was to be baptised and celebrate this with our whole town. Whilst we were washing and ironing our pretty white dresses and shopping around for cake and flowers, all our pastor and his mates seemed to be focused on was to preserve the status quo. To them this meant that we had to sign on the dotted line and our non-denominational pastor seemingly was not considered ‘worthy’ to baptise us because he was not registered with a church.
In addition, baptisms are apparently meant to be quiet private church affairs, not to be opened to the public.

But all our friends are ‘the public.’

We had never distinguished between believers and non-believers and we certainly didn’t intend to start doing so now.

The bible on baptism

We continued reading the bible and discovered that the bible does not tell us that we need a years worth of indoctrination before we are baptised. Quite the contrary.
The bible does not tell us that baptism needs to take place in a quiet secluded place either. Jesus was baptised in the Jordan river, at a public place  by his cousin.
The bible does not tell us that we need to sign up with a church or denomination to be baptised. Nor are we to be baptised in the name of a church or denomination.

What the bible does tell us with regards to baptism is that we are to be baptised in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost.

41,000 different Christian denominations

The bible is very clear on what baptism entails. It is not complex at all. What is complex however is that there are approximately 41,000 different Christian flavours (denominations) and each of these churches has their own doctrine. If all churches were to follow God’s Word there would be no need for a church doctrine because the bible would be their doctrine.

In Jesus’ day ‘congregations’ were named after the place name not after a particular religious flavour.

We follow God and His Son

My family follows God’s Word and his Son Jesus. We don’t do any of the flavours because as we discovered with our baptism, church doctrine often enough is not in agreement with God’s Word.

Jesus prayed for his disciples to be as one. Not 41,000 different flavours, but one.
Jesus also said, By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
In addition Jesus said,  where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Our baptism 

My daughters and I make three, with Jesus is four and this is how we were baptised at that lovely place, the nice bright open clearing at our town’s river mouth where we originally planned for our baptism to take place. In the name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost. Amen.

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  1. Thank you Mimi for sharing your ups and downs with the Churches, I’m sure others have experienced the same frustration with all the different teaching, I did too but I reasoned that the Holy Spirit does not say one thing to one person and something different to another when it contradicts, so in my confusion I asked for God’s help and He showed me the need to ask for my Faith to increase and to also ask for His wisdom and than after receiving His wisdom through the empowering of The Holy Spirit, the Scriptures were no longer a jigsaw puzzle they became a complete Picture, I’m still learning but Jesus is leading me into all Truth.

    My first Baptism was as a Teenager, if I wanted to teach Sunday School I had to be Baptised, I didn’t know what it meant but I loved children and they were worth having a bath without soap for, the only problem was that the Minister was new and had never Baptised anyone before, he told me he would count to three and than dunk me but he got carried away with his sermon and dunked me without counting, I didn’t drown you may have noticed but I sure swallowed a lot of water.

    The second time I was Baptised to become a member of a Church, I was an Adult, it was not as eventful but the True meaning of being Baptised came much later.

    The three thousand believers who were added to the Church in one day, after Pentecost included those who were Baptised for their sins by John the Baptist. Water Baptism or sprinkling does not save us but it does show our Identity with Jesus when we believe, as His did with the Father and it shows our Faith in Him as our Lord and Saviour who forgives past sins when we repent of them, Children who do not understand are under God’s grace. We need to be Born again through The Holy Spirit which is what happened as the Disciples were praying in the upper room for Him to come and as we know He did come with tongues of fire and so they were Baptised in The Spirit too as were the three thousand believers and many others later.

    John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is Born of the Spirit is Spirit.

    Mark 1:8 8 I indeed have Baptised you with water but He shall Baptise you with the Holy Ghost.

    The early Church meet in their homes and also went to hear the Scriptures in the Temple everyday, they did not just worship and fellowship on Saturday or Sunday, Jesus was the fulfillment of the Sabbath and Christians were now part of the New Covenant in Him, which also changed the Jewish food laws but it is for each of us to decide what day we worship and what we eat, we are not to be judged by man for these but they do show our Maturity in Christ Jesus and if we are depending on these to save us.

    Our Salvation is a free gift, we can’t earn it but we will show we have it as you said Mimi by our Love.

    Christian Love from both of us – Anne.

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